Welcome To the Official BYU Hawaii Pre Medical site

The BYU Hawaii Premedical resource and events guide is designed with the future medical school student in mind.  The information contained on this website will aid applicants in preparing for a career in medicine.  You will find everything you need to know from information regarding the application process, medical schools, career exploration, the MCAT as well as advice to realize your dream of practicing medicine.  Comments and suggestions are encouraged to help us help one another find success in such a competitive field.

Thursday, March 12, 2009

Q&A with a 3rd year Med Student

Casey Lythgoe is a third year Medical Student at Medical College of Wisconsin, which was formally associated with Marquette, it is a private Allopathic (MD) school with a good reputation (ranked #52 top medical school by U.S. News and World Report). Casey (soon to be Dr. Lythgoe) graduated from BYUH in 2004 and sympathizes with us seeing how we don't currently have a pre-med adviser.
Q-How did you decide which schools to apply to?

A- I applied broadly: to my state school and every other private school out there who accepts a significant number of students from out of state. My MCAT wasn't the best (28) so I hoped to get lucky by applying everywhere.

Q-Besides the obvious GPA and MCAT what other things can improve yourodds of getting into med school?
A-Go get some experience in health care. I know this is easier said than done: I volunteered at the hospital in my hometown of Ogden UT. I tried anything to get to speak with and hang out with surgeons. I got lucky a couple of times and saw some operative procedures. Try to get as much of this type of experience as possible. Sure you may be able to get paid as a CNA, but wiping people's butts doesn't really tell you what being a doctor is like, you need to hang with the docs to get a feel for what they do.


Q-Is it possible to mitigate a low GPA or MCAT and still get into school? have you heard of anybody getting in despite one of these strikes against them? and what did they do to draw attention away from the negative aspects of their application? (basically is it possible to redeem yourself? and How?)
A-I believe so, and many of my classmates with sub-30 MCATs would agree. I had a relatively high GPA at 3.85 or so, and I think that counterbalanced my relatively low MCAT of 28. Get some research experience to help out your application. If you live near a major university during the summer, many scientists will have projects that you can do if you are willing to volunteer your time, who knows you might even get published! Again volunteer in health care related activities, and this will offset some of the more negative aspects of your application. Recently, we had a guy come through interviews with great grades and a 36 on the MCAT with no research, no health care experience. It was easy to reject this candidate. Being well rounded can make up for other faults in your application.


Q-What information did you find most useful in getting accepted into medical school?
A-Unfortunately, I had no advisor either and turned to websites like studentdoctor.net for advice. If you have been to the website, you'll find that the advice is poor and the company is worse. Each person's experience will be different, but I can offer mine as an example in context for anyone who wants to pick my brain. See some of my comments below.


Q-What would you have done differently knowing what you know now about the admissions process?
A-I would have studied harder for the MCAT and taken practice tests that are RECENT and UP TO DATE. As many tests as possible, is the advice I can give you. Also, I wouldn't try to be a superstar when it comes to admissions essays: you're likely not a Pulitzer prize winning author so don't try to be. Just be yourself. Explain why you want to be a doc, usually without saying "I want to help people" EVERYBODY says that and no one in admissions believes it unless you have a really credible story. I wanted to be a doc because I love how surgeons can open a person, remove something that has gone wrong, sew the person up, and the patient is better off for it, THAT is AMAZING! It less to do with helping people as it does my fascination with the science of medicine. It is OKAY to love medicine. Yes, you will help people, but that doesn't have to be your main concern. Social workers help people all day, so why do you want to be a doc and help people. Oh, yes, and apply early! Enough said.


Q-What does MCW look for in the application/interview process?
A-See my post above. Be well rounded. Know what you're getting into. Study hard and do well in all your courses.


Q-What was the best way to study for the MCAT? (group study, Kaplan,flashcards,etc)
A-I'm probably not the best person to ask about this considering my MCAT score. I studied alone and used some out of date practice tests. I set up a study schedule according to the list of topics to be covered by the MCAT. I believe this list is somewhere on the AAMCAS or AAMC website. I gave myself a month to do practice tests, and would time myself with the same watch I used in the test. Go back and review the ones you got wrong and take another test. I didn't find it necessary to do a full practice test: the day of the MCAT you'll be so hopped up on adrenaline, that the time will fly. Don't worry about preparing yourself for the "marathon" like aspects of the MCAT. Some guys used kaplan: one scored better than I did, two scored worse. I was good at setting apart time to study every day and sticking to it. Ultimately, each person studies differently and each must decide which approach will work best for them. Remember that understanding a concept is different from knowing it cold!


Q-Does your major(and minor if you have one) count in choosing who gets into med school? (There is a sacrifice of GPA to take harder more challenging courses relevant to medicine rather than taking the bare minimum requirements and filling your schedule with fluff)
A-Again, most schools take into account the whole picture. I was a biochem major. I have a buddy who was an English major. Whatever you do, do it well. Taking courses that are relevant to medicine is irrelevant ironically. You'll find that in your first year of med school, you will breeze through everything you learned in 1 year of biochem in 4 months, less depth in some areas, more depth in others, and a completely different emphasis: you may have studied DNA but do you have any idea what a patient with xeroderma pigmentosa looks like? You may have taken a course in anatomy, but again the focus is different in med school: I had NEVER taken an anatomy course in my life and felt very comfortable in anatomy and received very high scores on all my tests. Once again, take courses you are interested in and courses that will prepare you for the MCAT, and enjoy both of them. Don't worry about whether they are fluff if you enjoy it and can talk about it in an interview, it's worth its weight in gold.


Q-Is there any other advice you would give to an undergrad student interested in becoming a doctor?
A-Now that's a broad question...I love what I do every day. Sometimes it is meaning less scut work. I like that a lot less. Sometimes I get to be first assist on an inguinal hernia and do all the dissection down to the inguinal ligament, or use the bovie during a lumpectomy. If you are excited about medicine now, just wait until you have a part in actually doing it. If you're married prepare your spouse now for the rigors of medical school. Some days I come home after 12 hours of work and spend the rest of the night studying. Some rotations I hardly study at all, but largely it is a lot of time put in to do well. I might also advise you to live your life to the fullest while you have the time. Not only for the fun you'll have, but so that you can tell your attendings in school about the different life experiences you've had. I was surprised to meet so many people that had not stopped going to school since they started high school. Never been out of the country, never did anything different etc. Of course, they still got accepted to med school, but again I believe in being well rounded.

Monday, February 9, 2009

Hwy Service Project Feb28 @ 8AM

Dave has put together a joint service project with Tahitian club scheduled for February 28th (that's a Saturday so none of you have classes) at 8:00AM. We will be cleaning a 1 mile section of highway alongside Turtle Bay, and if serving the community which so graciously allows us to live and study here on the North shore isn't enough there are other incentives such as T-shirts for those who show up to put in some work as well as the possibility of the Restaurant OLA providing breakfast. To remain a club here at BYU Hawaii we need atleast 30% of our club members to participate in this service opportunity.
It may seem like something small but chances are in the course of the application process to the medical/graduate schools you will be applying to questions might be asked concerning your involvement in extra curricular activities/clubs and how you have served your community. If you haven't already keep track of all your service hours, it looks good to show commitment to service not only to medicine but to your community as well.

If you are interested in attending and receiving a t-shirt contact Dave at: thedddaaavvveee@gmail.com by Friday Fed13th and make sure to let him know your shirt size. The order must go out by the end of the week.

Foodfest Winter 09'

A special thanks goes out to all who went out and supported our club as well as those who made the event happen. This is the 2nd foodfest the club has participated in and it takes a lot of work to put everything together. We served some fine Italian cuisine as seen in the pictures below and it must have been a hit because we completely sold out everything without resorting to dropping our prices.



"...when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie....."(we actually had this song playing nonstop for the duration of foodfest, Grazie! to Higgy for providing the music, it really put us in the Italian mood.)
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Friday, January 16, 2009

What does it take to become a doctor


The University of Washington every year puts on a series of lectures designed for undergraduate students and the community about medical school along with the problems in health care, innovations, and what it takes to become a doctor. I don't want to sound biased but the University of Washington ranks in the top 5 medical schools in America ever year and serves the WWAMI region (Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, and Idaho all considered "in state" in applying for UW medical school)

These lectures are a great resource to all considering medical school, you will get some insight that you might consider especially useful in personal statements and interviews along with your own convictions about attending medical school. Everyone knows to get a good GPA and do well on the MCAT but it is also important to learn everything you can about the field of medicine and thanks to technology you don't have to commute to Seattle to watch these lectures, so take advantage of it and find some time to watch some episodes via the web. Here's a description along with a link to watch one of the sessions in which I attended and found particularly insightful and inspiring. But feel free to browse around other lectures in the series for something that interests you http://uwmedicine.washington.edu/Global/NewsAndEvents/minimed/Mini-Medical+School+Series+Video+Archive.htm.


"Exactly what does it take to get into medical school? Dr. Terry Mengert takes you through the history of teaching medicine, from Hippocrates to modern day. Aside from highlighting the training today's new doctors receive, Dr. Mengert interviews two students about the challenges and joys of medical school. 'The Colleges', a program which focuses on teaching patient communication at the bedside, is also featured. "


Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Winter 09' Semester Tentative Schedule


  • January 14-16 Worldfest in the Aloha Center

  • January 23 Opening Social 5:30 McKay 133
  • Feburary 2 Kaplan Rep will discuss MCAT 5:30 McKay133
  • February 7 Foodfest begins at 5PM
Please attend the opening social and have a voice in the club, we have a calendar to fill and lots of possible activities which include: MD/DO application Q&A with Will and Adam, Service opportunities in tutoring at Kahuku High School, Joint service project with Tahitian club at Laie Elementary, Medical Minute short films (will air on school channel), Soccer/Basketball vs Pre Dental, as well as any other great ideas that you the people bring we'd love to hear them!!

Monday, December 1, 2008

Make your break fun and productive!!!

With the Christmas break coming up and for many of us a 6+ hour flight each way I thought it would be nice to share the idea recreational reading (if focused) might help plant the seeds of thought and help formulate informed opinions that you will be expected to have when you are writing personal essays or being interviewed. A good GPA and test score are only part of what is necessary to get into the programs you are aspiring to; experience, personal statements and interviews are equally regarded and in most instances can mitigate a below average GPA or Test score. Not only will reading make you informed and prepared for discussion on a number of different topics, you will be able to cite examples which shape your opinions, and most importantly you will be influenced as to what you are going into and why. Interviewers and admissions people can tell when you are sincere and knowledgeable and can tell when you aren't. In fact I think they can see through your soul so please give them something good to look at, for your own sake. This break I encourage all of you to find at least one book that focuses on an area in which you are interested in and read or listen to it. I personally prefer audio books which I listen to instead of music when I'm driving in the car, working alone, or walking around campus and here are some of the books I've read in the past year (there are more below this post). For example if you plan on going into cardiology and you get asked in your interview "what area of medicine do you want to go into?", you will be able to prove that this aspiration isn't a pipe dream but something you actually know quite a bit about. If you have read King of Hearts: the True Story of the Maverick who Pioneered Open Heart Surgery, you will have an in depth understanding of the major advances and the obstacles overcome in the field of open heart surgery, you will have a small glimpse into the life of a cardiac surgeon and you will know the Who, What, When, Where, and Whys of different treatments for heart disease.
If you plan on going into Public Health or doing service in poor under served areas of the World it would be prudent to read Mountains Beyond Mountains: The Quest of Paul Farmer to Cure the World. Paul Farmer was a poor boy living with a big family on a bus and later in a boat ran ashore who was self taught earning a scholarship to first Duke than Harvard Medical School where he bought his text books and left to Haiti where he served the people there only coming back to Boston for exams and to raise money and acquire supplies for the people of Haiti. Paul Farmer is the founder of Partners in Health who have worked very hard to irradiate multi drug resistant strain Tuberculosis in Haiti, Peru, Russia, and other countries. Upon reading this book you will see some of things that are required in this type of service along with the problems and barriers you will encounter along with the example of someone who was able to successfully overcome these obstacles.
In the books Better: A Surgeons Notes on Performance as well as Complications: A Surgeons Notes on an Imperfect Science you gain a better understanding of the problems medicine encounters: learning/practicing, malpractice, career burnout, ethical issues, diagnosis, treatment, etc. These two books will give you a broad look into the world of medicine and inspire the reader to think of the limitations of this science which in many ways is an art.
Outliers: the Story of Success tells the reader what makes some people excel while others struggle. If anything you will be inspired and seek perfection after reading this book. On Call in Hell is a great book for anyone considering entering the military in a medical profession, you see first hand the account of a D.O. who served in the Navy as a field surgeon in Fallujah and the tolls that his experiences had on his life, both good and bad.
and there are more posted below if you are looking for something I recommend them all but don't limit yourself to my selections ask around look at reviews and pick something you think is interesting and if there are no books about the medical field you don't find interesting perhaps medicine isn't your thing and you should focus on another area where you are interested.